Reevaluating The Little Mermaid before Disney horks up another live action remake

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    Lindsay EllisLindsay Ellis

    happy pride month.
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    Yes, we meant Joan Crawford, not Collins. Dunno how that happened.

    2:59 part 2: something, somthing feminism
    7:50 part feminism something.5: Ariel's voice
    9:49 part feminism.something something: Ariel's character arc
    11:31 part four: True Love (TM)
    15:08 Part something: character arcs
    20:41 number 6: Adaptation & the Gays
    25:06 part something: The disney version is gay AF, too! (just, you know, not in the same way)


    Twitter - @thelindsayellis
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Leah Saddy
Leah Saddy

Anyone else come back here after the new amazon cinderella trailer dropped, and is literally every single specific thing this video criticized, as though they used this as a checklist to write the script?

5 小时 前
gentlerat
gentlerat

I’d be curious to know more about what “girl boss” means to you? I feel like you’ve popularized the concept, but at this point it runs the risk of being over-applied or misapplied, kind of like “death of the author” or “Mary Sue.” It would be interesting to possibly even have a whole video really dissecting who is and isn’t a “girl boss.”

5 小时 前
A_A_Ron n
A_A_Ron n

Fantastic and well thought out, all ways

6 小时 前
Hatem Teirelbar
Hatem Teirelbar

This did not show up in my recommendations AT ALL, despite me having watched like 80% of Lindsay's videos and liking all of them. Then, a full month after it releases, I check Lindsay's channel and see a new vid. I don't wanna sound paranoid, but algorithm suppression?

15 小时 前
Ebizzill
Ebizzill

there's SO MANY books that need a live action like the Uglies-Pretties series, yet they keep remaking remakes.. so annoying

20 小时 前
Sarah Stryker
Sarah Stryker

I was eating oatmeal when you said "mermaid discourse" and now maybe there's a blueberry in my nose forever.

21 小时 前
The Shimmer Glimmers
The Shimmer Glimmers

Shine on you crazy diamond 💎

天 前
j. evelyn
j. evelyn

The one thing I hate when people pretend to "critique" The Little Mermaid is Ariel's decision to give up her tail for legs. YES, it was stupud. YES, she didn't think about it. But think about what happened before hand. Her father comes into her trove and starts DESTROYING ALL OF HER SHIT into tiny pieces. Ofc she's fucking devasted. Then in the moment of her weakness, Ursula's goons take advantage of her, and basically PRESSURED and MANIPULATED an innocent, inexperienced 16-year-old girl to to sign a contract without parental supervision. I mean HONESTLY. Give her a break.

天 前
Mark Jacobs
Mark Jacobs

I liked your video about She's All That, back when you were the Nostalgia Chick

天 前
unigenius
unigenius

I'm 31:40 into this video and I'm STILL waiting for "🎵See how I glitter!🎶" Lindsay! When will I be satisfied from "Lindsay's Favorite Gags"? Lol. Though, I did get great satisfaction from Hunchback twice.

天 前
Robert Koch 1877
Robert Koch 1877

"See mermaids, like the Danish themselves, don't have souls" Jesus Christ, that took me by surprise. Well played, Lindsay.

天 前
GuySaysThings
GuySaysThings

That buzzfeed video reappearing all throughout the video felt like running an obstacle course and getting progressively more exhausted each time

天 前
Peace, Love and Guns
Peace, Love and Guns

Excellent take on this! Great video!

天 前
Elle Sea
Elle Sea

I always took those hot takes in the same spirit as noticing those scantily clad mind-controlled slaves in 80s GI Joe. Or laughing at Princess Peach using anime tropes to battle through her enemies. It always weirded me out seeing people assert their personal takes as The One True Opinion.

2 天 前
ColorfulVoid
ColorfulVoid

Stanning Ursula since 89 oh yeah

2 天 前
Lily Mustang
Lily Mustang

As a child I love Disney take on fairy tales & that lead me reading the stories they came from then looking up where they came from & how they changed over time. I started searching out modern retelling of fairy tales, myths, & legends. Then looking up all kinds of academic books & paper about fairy tales. I have a big love of fairy tales, myths, legends and because of that love I love Disney for introducing me to my love. Well 2010 was in the middle of my time at uni. I got a lot of flack from anti princess ‘feminist’ about my interest in it and when I would bring out many facts you stated, even offering them information I have learn over time they blew it off. I was told a lot how I had brain wash, boy crazy, weak and lots of personal attacks about how I wasn’t as strong & smart as them. Even professors would criticise me. I only really had one professor actually talk to me & listen/absorb my points but it was also a paper about how fairy tales evolve to reflect that period in time.

2 天 前
bmas44
bmas44

THANK you

2 天 前
Rob Sullivan
Rob Sullivan

Humbled by your brilliance ⚡️🥂

3 天 前
ScarabD
ScarabD

4:08 Oh my god when's the last time she actually watched a disney movie

3 天 前
Christian Schmude
Christian Schmude

Well to be fair, in the world of media analysis, "only twice" translates to "usually"... ... meaning no, I'm not being fair, she's wrong and I hate it!

2 天 前
Grutar G
Grutar G

The beginning of the movie is the bustle and excitement of a big musical concert that Ariel is the star of, but then *gasp* she's not there. She's doing her own thing instead. So giving up her voice could mean giving up on what her mermaid society values in her and sees as her success, but is not important to her.

3 天 前
Jonathan McGaha
Jonathan McGaha

what the danish ever do to u lindsay

4 天 前
Woot Mama
Woot Mama

I know this isn't going to be a popular opinion, and I understand why they are making changes. I agree with their reasons. But I will forever be sad that Ariel isn't going to be a red head in the live action movie. As a red head myself, Ariel was the only Disney princess that looked like me, when I was a kid. I've watched Brave with my daughter who also has curly red hair, but it doesn't resonate with us as much as the Little Mermaid. The remake isn't high on my list to watch. I hope it does well. I'm sure it will be important to a lot of young people.

4 天 前
batreiis
batreiis

I come back regularly to this video, the idea that the ""feminist"" reading of The little mermaid is extremely cisheteronormative is really telling tbh, I've never notice how most of these discourses are framed in a way that they talk about them as if only cis women can and NEED to find relatable

4 天 前
Michael R
Michael R

Joan CRAWFORD, not Collins 26:50

4 天 前
Vexed Forest
Vexed Forest

....sadness? Welp, I'm sold on that book

5 天 前
Glibber
Glibber

Disney princesses are full of clichés, and implying there is some deeper meaning when the target audience will not likely notice this deeper meaning is just as bad as implying that they are the reason for the gender pay gap. Disney princesses (and princes/lovers!) suck, and the older ones especially. While the progress is mostly superficial, the older ones weren't better. They DO imply certain social constructs, just as the usage of language does, and it will affect the way people think. Also "we don't know when it [the marriage] happened" (paraphrased), is also kinda disingenuous, because the way the movie is structured just implies to the audience it happened pretty fast. I don't think the target audience is gonna be like "hmm, well, we don't know how fast it happened".

5 天 前
jcraggett12
jcraggett12

Ok, Queen, ima let u finish but...I’m still waiting for you to snatch our wigs and the wigs of the church by making a video about Prince of Egypt. #ControversialYetBrave

5 天 前
Chrystal Bess Redding
Chrystal Bess Redding

Great video Lindsay! I think Ariel's story was a missed point and I loved the part when her father begins to question himself and tries to help his daughter (losing his powers and being turned into an eel) By a missed point I mean - does anyone remembers Alice Through The Looking Glass when at the end she goes off to travel the world and to learn? - they could have done something similar. Ariel wants to have legs, Ariel wants to experience human experiences and collect vintage nick snacks and other stuff. Hey! Send her off into the sunset with the Prince to travel the world. Ariel's sequel could have been their wedding after three or four years and learn something new about the Prince, his family and Ariel's family too. But no, we get something else Ariel's daughter... Although I can't complain, we got to hear Part Of Your World by Alan Menken and Howard Ashman.

5 天 前
saj da
saj da

oh god???? women becoming nurses?!??! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO also i really loved hearing your take on the story bc tbh it’s never been my fave disney movie but now i want to watch it again to experiencing it through that perspective

5 天 前
Francesco Gulisano
Francesco Gulisano

5:56 Our girl here spitting FACTS

5 天 前
Clara Azadegan
Clara Azadegan

12:20 LMAOOOO

5 天 前
Solas67
Solas67

A really fascinating look into this whole construction that Disney does with their properties and how people seemingly.....justify it? I'm none of the target demos being a white middle aged straight guy, but sometimes the reads to give the characters empowerment out of their narratives or give them a coding feel like an apologist stance. 'Yes, they're doing the hetero normative thing, but look! See this coding over here?' Whereas my stance has been for a while that Disney markets and regurgitates nostalgia endessly and repackages it now and then to make the most cosmetic overture that they're socially relevant. Which they have been, but only by accident. And thank you for bringing up the Hans Christen Andersen origin, which I think is often overlooked or frankly forgotten by modern audiences that only know the story at all because Disney packaged it *just so*. On a personal note, I'm very happy to see you back and making content on your terms and at least finding a way forward, in whatever way forward is defined for you. As the aforementioned straight white middle aged guy, I can say viewpoints and critical viewing such as yours prevents me from becoming a endorphine hit seeking Twitter user.

5 天 前
Juanito Snow
Juanito Snow

Yay she said her catch phrase

6 天 前
Sophie Walshe
Sophie Walshe

So glad you're back! Thank you for this - really interesting :)

6 天 前
Brynne Hu
Brynne Hu

I think I caught a little Stefon reference in the self promo segment

6 天 前
Delta Jäeger
Delta Jäeger

i liked disney princesses when i was little, and im going to college to be a scientist so :/

6 天 前
Janusniq _
Janusniq _

What a great video. I hope Lindsay is doing well.

6 天 前
Yoel Jeremy
Yoel Jeremy

ABSOLUTELY LOVE that point bout the marriage thingy! Most assume that it happened immediately after the movie's climax, truth is we don't know WHEN it actually happened (6 months after? a year after?).

6 天 前
Mr Peterson
Mr Peterson

"like the Danish them selfs" lol

7 天 前
Tamar Harrington
Tamar Harrington

What production are the clips at the end from?

7 天 前
Nexcion153
Nexcion153

Yes! I hate when feminine traits are seen as “inferior”! Feminine traits are an important part of the human experience, equally important to the masculine experience. Jobs that attract more women should also be paid well.

7 天 前
C D
C D

Always excited to see new content on your channel Lindsay! Loved hearing about the history behind "Poor Unfortunate Souls" and learning about the original Hans Christian Anderson story which I'd never heard before. I'm sorry if things are still rough for you. My goal is to get your first book read before your second book comes out.

7 天 前
Blash Blasgh
Blash Blasgh

I pressed like the moment you said you can't get on the frozen train

7 天 前
I_boole 663
I_boole 663

"You know, my last captain of the guard was a... bit of a disappointment to me." Put into that context, that's hilarious. Edit: what he said immediately after is also hilarious in that context: "Well, No matter. I'm sure you'll... whip my men into shape."

7 天 前
Sally Pumpkin Toy Collection
Sally Pumpkin Toy Collection

Disney Princesses weren't very good role models for feminism. Except Belle. Belle is our queen. We love her. We worship her. We want much more than our provincial lives. Edit: you also can't really expect little girls who watch these movies to be feminists. I definitely wasn't a feminist as a toddler. Beauty and the Beast is still my favorite Disney movie.

7 天 前
fullrewrite
fullrewrite

"You got engaged to a man you just met that day?" Proceeds to fall in love with her immediately Like ok marriage isn't the end all for everything Frozen

7 天 前
portalomus
portalomus

Glad you decided to keep making videos! The internet is designed to eat its children. Don't take it personally.

7 天 前
EirHol
EirHol

23:04 I did wonder about that statement in the earlier version of this video XD

8 天 前
Anna Beatriz Zimmermann
Anna Beatriz Zimmermann

OMG LMAO WHAT WAS THAT BRAZILIAN SECTION AND MEME LMAOOOO I AM DYING KKKKK

8 天 前
Fredrik Bermhed
Fredrik Bermhed

21:10 Had not realized Lindsay Ellis was Swedish until now

8 天 前
bijou
bijou

we need a cruella video pls

8 天 前
all humans are just human.
all humans are just human.

Thank you for the thought provoking video. I always did like Ursula

8 天 前
Rebecca Clark
Rebecca Clark

Okay but where are the clips of the non-Disney version of the little mermaid from cause the animation art is gorgeous

8 天 前
Nat
Nat

I need you to talk about Ratigan for an hour at least

8 天 前
Ann Dead
Ann Dead

omg!! you've used some clips from soviet animated film of The Little Mermaid!!! i grew up with this film, love it so much 😭😭

8 天 前
Anna Christensen
Anna Christensen

As a Dane, I can confirm; yes, we do turn into seafoam. Very true.

8 天 前
Алина Рахимова
Алина Рахимова

I'm sorry that I didn't say this first time I watched your video - Thank you. I'm glad that you did this, that you talked about that Princess Discourse. I saw part of it in late 2000's and I thought "How can I possibly change their mind, they are wrong" and never had the courage and right words to speak up for my favourite princesses. At some point they almost made me believe in what they were saying... At that point I stopped listen to what they said, stopped watch those "memes" that they made and thought alone about that. I still consider that they are wrong, and thank you for formulating things on themes that bothered me and sometimes still bother!

8 天 前
Carter Burgess
Carter Burgess

"It was all Ashman?" "Always has been..." - Sideways probably

9 天 前
Jesse Colton
Jesse Colton

So can anybody tell me what the hell that awful princess music video she keeps cutting to is from? I thought it was from buzzfeed but I can't find it ANYWHERE and I wish to view the cringe

9 天 前
TheLibrarianofAlexandria
TheLibrarianofAlexandria

I agree the great mouse dectective is soo good :)

9 天 前
Noelle Dempsey
Noelle Dempsey

I was watching your interview on The Financial Diet and ya'll talked about nerding a social media savvy therapist in LA. I recommend looking into Dr Scott Musgrove. He is a therapist in LA and has his own podcast called LA Not So Confidential. I'm sure he's dealt with unpleasant feedback on social media and can relate to this weird phenomenon. I'm not a client of his, just a close friend of his from college. He's also just a delightful person. So thought I'd suggest him :)

10 天 前
John Eilers
John Eilers

Over a month late to the party on this one, and I'm sure it's already mentioned down the comments, but Sleeping beauty has the same Character Growth issue that Little Mermaid has. It's even more stark actually. Aurora is ALSO not the character driving the plot. So much so that she can't even be called the protagonist. It's the 3 Fairies that are the Protagonists and face conflict. Heck, Aurora doesn't even per se' want to get married. She'd just like to meet people, a dude in particular. Aurora is a MacGuffin if anything.

10 天 前
MarionParoo Too
MarionParoo Too

Hey don't knock the good faeries? They basically planned and instigated a jail break and magicked a sword into a giant fucking dragon. And managed to raise a child together. They're pretty boss

10 天 前
pianoguy222
pianoguy222

Honestly I think the weirdest thing I learned from this is that there was not only a knock-off little mermaid, but that it had characters inspired" by a 70's anime movie???

10 天 前
Lorraine Fitzmaurice
Lorraine Fitzmaurice

Have you seen Kevin can Fuck Himself, and are you gonna do a video on it? Because it's amazeballs and also I wanna hear what you think.

10 天 前
Louise Richardson
Louise Richardson

The Two Thousands have another…I don’t know…78 years to go. It’s true we need to think of a name for the first decade of this century. A hundred years ago it was the Oughts or the Naughts, which I know sound archaic now. The Ohs, perhaps? The Zeros? What is the second decade, in fact, the Tens, the Teens. And I won’t even bring up how people celebrated the turn of the century a year early, since there are 2,000 years in 2,000 years and 1,999.

10 天 前
Natalie
Natalie

im not proud of it, but no wonder i went through an anti feminist transphobic phase in 2015 (i'm trans mtf i was closeted)

10 天 前
Eybel 3rd
Eybel 3rd

21:02 what movie is that?

10 天 前
Atiqah Diyana
Atiqah Diyana

I read the Hans Christian Anderson version as a child and I wanted the little mermaid to kill the prince so bad and was so disappointed when she didn't.

10 天 前
Zheng Hao
Zheng Hao

Its about the Christian concept of unconditional and sacrificial love (Jesus dying for the people who scorn him kinda thing) But it can also be interpreted as real life experience, what is lust and what is love. What is possessive love and what is universal love.

天 前
Aurelia
Aurelia

Danes have no souls? Ouch, that hurts :(

10 天 前
Sam Kresil
Sam Kresil

My favorite character in the whole film without a doubt is Usula. I loved every minute of watching her.

10 天 前
Jen
Jen

I have always found it very poignant that the last line in the movie is "I love you, Daddy." People who reduce this movie to just Ariel falling for Eric are extremely obtuse, and probably haven't seen it since their childhood.

11 天 前
Natalie Thiessen
Natalie Thiessen

Omg I’m so happy, the whole “giving up her voice for a man” critique has been a massive pet peeve of mine for so long

11 天 前
Unkl Paulie M
Unkl Paulie M

So wait you’re telling us at ten minutes in that Ariel is a gamer with a YouTube channel filmed in a cave!

11 天 前
Owella Fehr
Owella Fehr

This was an excellent analysis! I'm really happy to see you re-evaluate this movie, as well as the whole "Disney princesses are anti-feminist" discourse of the early 2010s.

11 天 前
butchdeadlift10
butchdeadlift10

@lindsayellis Say, maybe I was living under a rock that was under another bigger rock, but I am looking at a few movies from over the last 20 years and it seems like all the evil genius billionaires look like Steve Jobs in movies. I mean, we are short on evil geniuses, but not evil billionaires. Why does Lex Luthor in Man of Steel look like a berkley kid and not..........well, the Koch brothers, Bezos, or Donald Trump?

11 天 前
Average Joe
Average Joe

Glad to see another video on here! Wish I had checked back sooner! I know the TV Tropes site has a name for the type of feminism we saw in the 2000s: "Real Women Don't Wear Dresses." Stories like that deride ANYTHING seen as traditionally feminine while praising women who behave in a more masculine manner. The "Real Women Don't Wear Dresses" page even says outright that it isn't hard to spot the "unfortunate implications" (in this case misogyny) that runs through works with this trope. Nothing wrong with works containing tomboys & all, but demanding that girls try to fit a more "masculine" mold to function in our society can be just as bad as pushing "traditional" feminine values. There's SOME gray area between both ideas here.

11 天 前
Ria C
Ria C

Everything with Ursula has come delightfully even more full circle with drag performers like Frankie Doom making amazing Ursula-inspired pieces. (Check out Dragula srs)

11 天 前
Ffs No
Ffs No

Get what coming to ya product s you like are being fucked with

12 天 前
Camila Monteiro
Camila Monteiro

I can't believe you used the Sandra Anemberg meme! My brazilian heart pounds...

12 天 前
Romantic Outlaw
Romantic Outlaw

"disney princesses are making our daughters into barefoot preggo kitchen-bound non-girlbosses" has the same but opposite energy as "metal music/horror movies/video games are making our kids violent"

12 天 前
Sophie Gathercole
Sophie Gathercole

Then Raya and The Last Dragon decided that they wouldn't even have a love interest ( we all know that it's an enemies to lovers story, I should stop lying to myself.)

13 天 前
Calvin Poblete
Calvin Poblete

Thank god you continued. Never understood why you were "cancelled". I mean you explained it pretty well. But still don't understand why the hell that happened.

13 天 前
Crimsonite20
Crimsonite20

This artistic mermaid animation where is it from

13 天 前
Aaron Hicks
Aaron Hicks

When you said Hans Christian Anderson was A romantic, I got confused for like a minute and backed up like 3 times before I realize you didn’t mean aromantic

13 天 前
human
human

This video was great, I really enjoyed it. Aside from that I have a question, what did the Kickassia hotel room smell like?

13 天 前
Manuela Porto
Manuela Porto

mano do céuuuuuuuuuu ela usou um meme da sandra kkk alguem me belisca

13 天 前
Manuela Porto
Manuela Porto

I'm from Rio and thanks for making me feel special

13 天 前
Aaron Hollingsworth
Aaron Hollingsworth

We miss you, Lindsey. Your insight is nutritious for our minds.

13 天 前
ايمان السويسي
ايمان السويسي

Nice 👍👍👍👍👍🌻🌻🌻🌻🤝

13 天 前
ElComanchero
ElComanchero

I'm a father of a one year old girl and because of her I'm even more grateful than before to women like Lindsay, I feel you are making the world better for everyone but especially girls by challenging us to think how femininity is observed in our society and tales. Thank you.

14 天 前
Remedy
Remedy

It also should be mentioned that Buzzfeed was riding high at the time with listicles leveled largely at left leaning ladies, and it simply boiled down to which cartoon character are you most jealous of?

14 天 前
Generic user
Generic user

video on netflix's She-Ra?? or Castlevania or the new He-man???

14 天 前
Andrea Solano
Andrea Solano

i recomende read the tale of oscar wilde The Fisherman & His Soul where the fisherman sacrifice his soul for be with the siren i like to think that is a responce for the tale of anderson but the siren and the fisherman live happy and die together

14 天 前
BurgerFred1
BurgerFred1

This "feminism" is really just misogyny in disguise. Imagine if a civil rights journalist wrote one day "The reason black people can't get ahead in this country is because they be saggin their pants and wanna become rappers." They would be ousted as a CIA plant in an instant.

14 天 前
conn barry
conn barry

I love how Frozen thought it was being soooo radical with "lol falling in love with the first guy you've ever met after one day is dumb", only to replace it with "falling in love with the SECOND guy you've ever met after a COUPLE of days is totally fine" They couldn't have just stayed friends, nope.

14 天 前
Lindsey Paris
Lindsey Paris

Oh, hi to me at 6:25, LOL.

14 天 前
Lost Scrolls Sketchbook
Lost Scrolls Sketchbook

Glad to see you're back, Lindsay. Missed your miserably angry self. You just make being sick of sh*t so damned charming.

14 天 前
Rose
Rose

You ok?

15 天 前

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